Derp!!!

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

I am LOVING this scandal because of how it's exposing how many on the right view women.

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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I'm not forgiving the name calling, but you're confusing two things now.

1) The mandate goes into place, and the right rightfully starts talking about religious freedom.

2) The GOP runs a religious freedom panel in Washington, the Democrats start crying "but where are the women on a panel about birth control?" which was factually false. They then trot out a professional partisan for her own thing, and people made bad jokes and comments about her.

The second part is related because the Democrats made it about something it's not. It does not forgive the commentary one bit but the two are only related because the Democrats insisted on distracting from the issue of religious freedom.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

But here is the thing, people are no longer talking about religion and the freedoms for it when you are starting to become derogatory to women.

Indeed. The Democratic distraction was successful.

When this comes into play, as it has been and as it is continuing to do so, you(general you) no longer care about the topic of religion but you care more about shaming women and being gross about the things you say.

If you think saying "We shouldn't have to pay for your contraception" is shaming women, you're being as extreme as those who are making crude comments.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Talk about distractions. This isn't what I was talking about and you know it. Stop stooping to dishonest levels.

Yes, you have it in your head that a guy on the radio is somehow representative of the thought process. It's not.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Do you really, honestly think he represents the majority? Note what I said: "a guy on the radio is somehow representative."

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Nearly every major republican and conservative figure appears on Rush's show.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

But that doesn't answer the question.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Do you honestly really think that it's just him saying these things at this point? Do you honestly want me to believe that it's just one person being a vile human being?

Again, do you believe he's representative? This is a yes or no question. If it's yes, please, by all means, demonstrate how.

All I and do is just roll my eyes at you. This entire debate from you is ridiculous.

Well, exert some effort and maybe we'll get somewhere.

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Freedom of religion, also includes freedom from religion, separation of church and state remember?

Also taxpayers are NOT paying for anyone's contraception, women are paying for it themselves by paying insurance with their wages. They are entitled to medical care that they fucking pay for, just like everyone else.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Indeed. And if their insurance doesn't cover contraceptives, then they won't be paying for them via insurance.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

That's not how wages work.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Fine by me.

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

Which is precisely why the religious-exemption claim is so ridiculous. What's the practical difference, in terms of contribution to sin, between an employer's health plan covering contraception, and people paying for it out of their wages? In both cases, it's the employee choosing to use the money they're receiving from their employer for the purposes of paying for contraception.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

A benefit is not money received from their employer, but rather a benefit of employment received from their employer. It's a subtle, but important difference - you're entitled to wages for your work, but not benefits.

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Would you rather pay for unwanted children?

It's the only alternative to ensuring that women have an equal right to medical care when they pay for insurance.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Planning ahead is anathema to today's conservative.

To offer any kind of preventative care or treatment impinges on our FREEDOM

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Would you rather pay for unwanted children?

I'd rather not pay for any of it.

It's the only alternative to ensuring that women have an equal right to medical care when they pay for insurance.

This actually isn't a matter of equality at all. Some things are covered by some insurance, some things are not.

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Sucks to be you then, we all have to pay for things we'd rather not. However I don't think saying so will get me off the hook for my bills.

It is when the equal treatment is covered for men but not for women,

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

Again, the Right made the "religious freedom" thing narrow-gauge from the get-go, not the Left. The people on the "religious freedom panel" were voicing objection solely to birth control, not to any other medication or medical procedure that might be considered religiously objectionable.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Again, you're not negating the reality, just complaining that it was narrow. Whether it's narrow or not has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the complaint.