[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-24 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
You might change your opinion on the "level of public openness and democracy in those countries" if you were a Palestinian or a Guantanamo detainee. As it stands you're lucky enough to be in the "leave him alone" segment of the populations of both countries.

Israel makes claims about being a democracy but that democracy only really extends to non-Palestinian citizens. If that's your definition of democracy, then S. Africa was a democracy in the 80s (for whites at least).

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
The US media may have problems but they're like a bunch of Walter Cronkites compared to the Soviet media.

I don't need to visit the country to know what is going on. I also don't need to witness their oppression first hand to sympathize.

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
The media doesn't seem to care about Gaza when the bombs aren't flying. Of course there's also the fact that Gaza hasn't been at peace for a really long time. Just because Israel stops bombing for a few months at a time doesn't mean they've stopped all aggression against the citizens of the occupied territories. They still control the borders and prevent travel, they still control the flow of resources and maintain dangerous lakes of shit within flood distance of major settlements. I think you're going to have to define peace here because by the traditional sense they haven't had peace in decades.

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Let's see, two letters from members of the IDF, not off to a good start. I'm not sure what you're trying to show me with the pictures, pictures from far off can be deceptive. Are you trying to suggest that it's all just a hoax and Palestine is really just a perfect land full of pristine cities? Obviously Gaza wasn't a pit full of broken buildings BEFORE Israel started bombing the shit out the place. What does that prove? Again, pictures with an agenda and a certain perspective can be deceptive. It's a fact that Israel periodically cuts off electricity and water. It's a fact that they've delayed food deliveries to the point of humanitarian crisis in order to punish the entire population for the acts of a small group of terrorists. It's a fact that they prevent humanitarian organizations from entering the country, and arrest those who try to sneak in.

Just because a girl is attractive doesn't make her a saint. Besides, all Israelis are forced to serve in the IDF. I've known people from here who returned to Israel to serve. It's not a choice. Many members of the IDF are refusing to serve in the occupied territories. For all we know, these girls don't want to be there any more than the Palestinians want them to.

[identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, you totally missed the point. Those girls are pretty. Therefore, Israel respects the human rights of Palestinians. Q.E.D.

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
How could I be so blind :)

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
And for all I know those girls are prepping for a training exercise like US Nat'l Guard soldiers on their weekend maneuvers. Who's to say they're about to go out and kill some Palestinian children. Perhaps it's just a practice to prepare to kill those children.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
i've seen the bodies

i've seen the gigantic wall painted to "look as though the palestinians weren't behind it"

i've seen israel's propaganda

why don't you try going there before you defend it, creep?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
so you're just a fool?

is there any cognitive dissonance you experience when you act as though racism doesn't exist and isn't a motivation for anything except when someone criticizes the u.s. or israel, in which case it is the only possible reason?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
it oozes from your ever smarmy comment to the point wherein i sometimes find myself wondering if you object to miscegenation

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
ironic comment is ironic.