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Mike Pictor ([identity profile] mikepictor.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] politicartoons2009-10-21 09:04 am

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OMG - big image - a breakdown of the right vs the left. Not a perfect image by a long shot, but they do a decent job of finding ways to put things that give both sides credit.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Except the whole "interfere with" not being really all that accurate* (at all), it's otherwise accurate.

*abortion rights, gay rights, etc. beyond even those obvious ones, the lack of interference also results in a lack of justice (aka: being dismayed that KBR now can't hide when their employees get raped by other employees). that should be noted in the chart.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I do find it odd that they reversed the normal party colors, too.

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
red's the traditional left-wing color.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Traditional in the United States political spectrum of Democrat/Republican?

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
that red/blue thing is very recent. from the 2000 election as i recall.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder what caused the shift.

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
ask and ye shall receive....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I knew about that part, but I wonder what prompted the colors to actually swap in that direction, as opposed to being selected to use the same scheme as other areas apparently tend to go by. Or why no political side tried to push back on it.

It seems like it was just done but there's no real logic behind it.

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
good question. i suspect the parties didn't expect it to become ingrained, but once television gets its teeth in something, there's no letting go.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
um, no. The GOP has been red and the Democrats blue since at least 1980.

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
you're out on that limb all by yourself. need a saw?

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I must have been watching ABC back in 1980.

[identity profile] roseofjuly.livejournal.com 2009-10-26 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
See, I know I wasn't crazy! I was very confused when red states started turning up GOP in the more recent elections because I always thought red was the left. *shrug*

[identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
and the chart seems to have been designed by brits.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
In the US the GOP (http://gop.com/) tends to use red while the DNC (http://www.democrats.org/) uses blue.

I spot you!

[identity profile] robertainnc.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
American!

(points finger)

[identity profile] thebigbadbutch.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I find it hard to believe that individualism is a major concern when it comes to child rearing considering most of the people that send their kids to Jesus camp are Republicans. And I don't think most Democrats think every single criminal is a victim of his childhood socioeconomic positioning. Especially since some dems would like to prosecute pretty much everyone in the Bush administration for war crimes. OR that all Democrats are pacifists. I mean our Democrat president is still running 2 wars and considering adding more troops to one of them.

[identity profile] robertainnc.livejournal.com 2009-10-21 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect that's "individualism" more along the lines of the old bootstraps mentality, you are responsible for yourself approach versus perhaps a more liberal ethic of cooperation/more community based "you're a part of a larger whole" approach.

Certainly these are all broad sweeping generalizations that won't fit in every circumstance (notably, gay rights and abortion have turned traditional left/right roles in regards to intervention in society on their heads in the past 30-40 years); we can pick apart the specific differences, but I think there's still something of interest here, regarding the general outlook on the left and on the right, in relation to governance, society, family, etc.--particularly intriguing to me is just how high support for gay rights, abortion, and premarital sex is on the right (though I haven't dug into these stats, so who knows--but it does make one wonder if there's a more vocal minority within the right than actually represents all of the Republicans in the US--certainly some of them are having premarital sex, gay sex, and abortions!)

I noticed the gif is labeled "EU" in its title (European Union?), appears to have been posted by a Canadian, and in the comments and on the image it is sourced to a Brit--helps to keep in context that this is a broad generalization of right and left perspectives across the Western world, not specific to America, I'm thinking.