[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
No, no, I said better. If I wanted worse, I would have agreed with blue duck and you.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you can lead a horse to water...

[identity profile] jblaque.livejournal.com 2009-10-15 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
"...we'll all pay for you to go to the hospital."

Not me. I say that once health reform care passes, we forbid everyone who opposed it from having insurance at all. I'm quite confident that the various charity organizations/free clinics around the nation will take good care of them. ;)

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2009-10-16 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
wouldn't want to infringe upon their freedom after all

[identity profile] red-pill.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
i find this tit for tat beatful and all, but...

the fact of the matter is that the current system is broken, and i dont think its becous of regultion. the people in charge make obsean profits whilst people die. not only people without covrage, but people with covrage. bonuses have been awarded for denying coverage and people polcys are only checked when thay get ill (and are then denyed for achne). the systems broken, and i dont think helth care componeys have your best intrestes in mind.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It is broken - single payer doesn't fix it.

[identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
What does? I'm sure tort reform's part of it, but not the whole. You Megan McArdle article was good reading, but it occurred to me by the end of it that she had still completely failed to offer a solution that adapted to the conditions she laid out.

So now, what does?

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/gaburieru_/ 2009-10-14 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
What does? I'm sure tort reform's part of it, but not the whole.

certainly not the whole. not even close.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-malpractice10-2009oct10,0,4877440.story

[identity profile] red-pill.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
what would you surgest?

countrys with singal payer seem to do well, i love the NHS witch has served me in good times and bad well, and other countrys with highly regulated insrunces systems seem to do quite well. would you prefer strong regultion?

[identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
'Cuz it works so massively suckily for all the other countries that have single-payer, that they all voted it out and are now all paying ultrarich megacorporations for their healthcare instead, and getting denied care and coverage for ridiculous pre-existing conditions that aren't conditions at all.

Oh wait, no they're not, because they're not morons.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2009-10-15 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Oh wait, no they're not, because they're not morons.

Are we really sure about that?

[identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com 2009-10-15 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, let me think. The unwashed masses of the United States, heavily brainwashed by our capitalist-marketing-driven media, vs. all the people of all the other industrialized nations on Earth. Let me think:

Wal-Mart
McDonald's
Subway sandwiches actually being thought of as "food"
American beer
American pop "music"
The state of the print media
The state of televised media
The comments sections on YouTube

Yeah, um, yes. I'm sure they're not all morons compared to us.